How to Get Banned From RedState Without Breaking the Rules

Since July, I’ve maintained a diary on RedState.com. Unfortunately, that ended on Sunday, November 27, when moderator Neil Stevens banned me, blocking me from posting to, commenting on, and even viewing the site in my default browser. Here’s the transcript of the offending exchange:
buckedup: Let’s face it. There is no more perfect person currently alive in the world than Governor Perry.

Moe Lane: Posting here is a privilege, buckedup…not a right. Kindly grow up, which includes not pretending that you don’t know precisely what I’m talking about.

Calvin Freiburger: Clarification, Please. Which of RedState’s posting rules was Buckedup’s comment in violation of? http://www.redstate.com/posting-rules/

Moe Lane: Take it to the Contact Us link, Calvin Freiburger…if you have a problem or question about our moderation policy. And let me save time, because I’m traveling: my next (and likely continuing) response to your response to that will be “Take it to the Contact Us link if you have a problem or question about our moderation policy.” Because we’re not having a conversation.

Calvin Freiburger: The unwillingess of RedState personnel to answer very simple questions about their own conduct, and to do so publicly for the benefit of their audience, is deeply disturbing.

NightTwister: Funny, I didn’t see unwillingness. You were instructed to take it to the Contact Us link. The fact that they aren’t interested in this particular case to do it publicly is their prerogative. I mean, it is their private property, something conservatives hold dear.

Calvin Freiburger: Deferring all questions & criticism to the Contact Us link is a cop-out. There is no reason simple explanations for disconcerting conduct cannot be given publicly, especially when the concern in question — the vagueness of the criteria by which violations are being judged — is in the interest of the entire audience. Don’t RedState’s readers have a fair expectation that the site’s moderators will hold themselves to the site’s own stated rules? I completely agree that Erickson, Lane, etc. can run the website however they choose. And we have the right to judge them accordingly.

NightTwister: So you’re the judge of “fair” here? You really don’t get the private property thing, do you? I’m not surprised.

Calvin Freiburger: No more so or less so than everybody else. And “the private property thing” is a complete non sequitur to this conversation.

NightTwister: Should be “less so” in your case and mine. This isn’t a public site. This website is privately owned. That means the owners can make and enforce the rules however they like, and they are the final determiners of what is “fair”.

You may not like that, but nobody is forcing you to come here. As for your non sequitur, you prove my point. You don’t understand private property.
Calvin Freiburger: I’ve already acknowledged their right to run RS however they want. Someone’s right to use private property in a certain way doesn’t mean someone can’t or shouldn’t be criticized from behaving badly with their private property. If Streiff, Moe Lane, and company want to falsely accuse people of rule violations, that’s their right. But it’s also my right to notice whether or not doing so reflects badly on RedState and Eagle Publishing.

NightTwister: It’s not a “right” but it would appear for now that they are going to allow you to continue in your quest to right all the wrongs on the interwebz at RedState. 

Bill S: Door’s to the right. Moe’s instructions were unambiguous. You obviously lack comprehension skills.

Calvin Freiburger: Do the powers-that-be at Eagle Publishing know this is what you consider an acceptable way to treat their publication’s readers? And before you once again violate your own site’s Posting Rules with another attack on my “comprehension skills” (“2. Namecalling and personal attacks directed at other users is not allowed.”), I’ll just point out that I already have emailed the Contact Us link. Bill S, I have never treated you, or anyone on this website, with dishonestly or unprovoked hostility. I don’t understand what grounds you have for considering me an enemy, other than the fact that I’ve expressed concern over the behavior of certain individuals, have objections to Rick Perry, and think some Romney supporters are being treated unfairly.

Neil Stevens: G’bye. You’ve repeatedly been warned to follow directions. You clearly can’t. I’ve had it.

Bill S: Have a nice life. Neil did me the favor of booting you so I didn’t have to bother with it. My observation about your comprehension skills was a pretty black and white one, given your repeated refusal to follow instructions. Either you didn’t comprehend or you just decided to act like a jackass. In either case, your banning was justified.
My interest in grilling the moderators was sparked after I observed a pattern of sleazy conduct by RedState’s moderators, primarily in the form of harassment against those who defend Mitt Romney or criticize Rick Perry (see below). I’ll be the first to admit I knew I was playing a dangerous game by openly calling the mods out on such behavior. But Stevens’ stated rationale for banning me—that I disobeyed repeated warnings to follow directions—is a lie.
First, RedState’s own Posting Rules say nothing that could possibly be construed as requiring commenters to stop discussing subjects simply because a moderator expresses a desire not to talk about it himself. If a website explicitly says, these are the rules you have to follow, users have a fair expectation that those are the rules they’ll be judged by, not by arbitrary whims. It’s meaningless to even have formal rules if RedState’s actual practice is to fabricate reasons for banning people on the spot.
Second, I was not “repeatedly warned” about my behavior. Not once did Stevens warn me in any way. The only “warning” Moe Lane suggested to me was that my replies to him would be a waste of time because he would answer them all the same way. At no point did he even imply that continuing to discuss my concerns publicly was itself a bannable offense. Bill S’s reply to me did not contain any such warning, either; he merely leveled a personal insult at me—that I “obviously lack comprehension skills”—for not silencing myself. Despite Bill’s decision to violate RedState’s stated Posting Rule against “personal attacks directed at other users,” I took great pains to not respond in kind while defending myself, expressing my offense at his behavior in a firm yet respectful manner that was not profane or vulgar, did not name-call, and did not personally attack. (The only other possible interpretation, that “NightTwister’s” jabs constituted some sort of binding warnings, would be too stupid to take seriously. He’s not a moderator, and I was responding fairly to his insults.)
Third, and most significantly, the comment Stevens banned me for couldn’t have violated any instruction to stop questioning Moe Lane, for the simple fact that it was not responding to Moe Lane. It was specifically responding to Bill’s unprovoked attack on me, and did not restate the question I posed to Lane. In fact, the only reference that comment made to my exchange with Lane was a perfectly innocent clarification that I followed Lane’s instruction to use the Contact page!

Simply put, Neil Stevens—whose signature, ironically, contains a call to “Read the RedState Posting Rules”—banned me not for breaking any of the rules, but for defending myself against his colleague’s rule-breaking.

I emailed RedState—both their general contact and Erick Erickson’s personal email—three times, explaining what had happened in perfectly respectful terms. Nobody responded. I also left a comment at Stevens’ own blog, which he refused to publish or address. I gave RedState ample opportunity to settle this civilly; they rejected that opportunity (and we know that Erickson reads his email), leaving me with no choice but to publicly call out the dishonesty, immaturity, and unprofessionalism of those running what is supposed to be an honorable, serious publication.

Here’s a sampling of the aforementioned unseemly conduct from site moderators:
  • “Streiff” admitted that he doesn’t follow RedState’s Posting Rules in banning Romney supporters, but that he’ll ban them “for disagreeing, for threadjacking, for asshattery, for having red hair, for whatever.” He has also endorsed the idea of banning all Romney supporters from the website.
  • “Streiff” responded to my last diary with a comment full of personal insults—“pretty stupid,” “salted with idiocy,” “Calvin Furburger’s lack of knowledge,” “When your world began only 22 years ago”—that didn’t even accurately critique anything I wrote. That article, by the way, got 84 comments, virtually all of them critical of me, including many overt personal attacks. Among my critics were three moderators—“Streiff,” Moe Lane, and Bill S—none of whom lifted a finger about any of the pro-Perry rule-breaking.
  • Responding to allegations that RedState discriminates against Romney supporters, Erick Erickson told Politico that those who were banned had smeared others as anti-Mormon bigots, which one of the banned commenters, pro-Romney blogger Phil Larsen, denies. I asked the moderators to direct us to the quote in which Larsen did what Erickson claimed. They couldn’t. Such a quote doesn’t appear in the thread where “Streiff” banned Larsen. What does appear, though, is “Streiff” calling Phil & his brother Ryan “buttboy,” as well as saying they, along with commenter “jackdaniels11,” have a “homoerotic attachment to Romney.”
  • Bill S said outright that Romney “groupies” “are not welcome” at RedState.
  • Neil Stevens childishly mocked of a commenter who suggested RedState has an excessive anti-Romney bias, equating support for Romney with homosexual feelings—“Mitt Romney’s married. You shouldn’t lust after him like that”; “Don’t use that word [sucks]. It’ll just get him hot and bothered”; and “Coming out as a Romney fan is a traumatic thing.”
  • Stevens threatened to ban a commenter for promoting the anti-incumbent organization Get Out Of Our House. When another commenter asked, “It seems like a pretty boring site. Why the hard-core reaction?” Stevens responded: “Complaints to the contact page. Don’t like it? Tough.” When the commenter called Stevens out on being “mean,” he blew up: “Can you read? I said complaints to the contact page. If you continue to threadjack I will ban you. Don’t like that? Take it to the contact page. Or you can go make your own website and whine about how mean I was to you. I don’t care. Just don’t comment about it in this thread anymore.”
  • On top of all the pro-Perry misconduct and rule-breaking practiced and tolerated by RedState personnel, “Streiff” has incredibly claimed that the misbehavior of Romney fans—“nasty little jerks”—has been so overwhelming as to turn him against Romney. It’s almost as if he’s daring someone to notice his hypocrisy. Well, “Streiff,” I’m happy to oblige. 

I did a little searching after my banning, and found that lots of people have had similar experiences. Granted, some of them are probably just vengeful leftists, but most? All?

Under Erick Erickson’s leadership, RedState has become dominated by a handful of unethical, unprofessional thugs, more interested in enforcing “correct” opinion and playing Internet jackboot than in doing their ostensible jobs. Hopefully, sooner or later someone at Eagle Publishing will realize that one of their publications is being run into the ground, and restore some self-respect to RedState. The last thing the Right needs is its own equivalent of the Daily Kos.
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13 thoughts on “How to Get Banned From RedState Without Breaking the Rules

  1. To arms against RedState!

    Just kidding, grow up you little bitch. You got banned from a blog for being a dick, boo hoo it's not the end of the world. Can't believe anyone has the time to write this irrelevant crap.

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  2. The fact that you delivered this little outburst anonymously interests me. You wouldn't happen to be one of the unsavory characters mentioned above, would you?

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  3. Poor Poor Calvin. Maybe you should spend a bit more time in the pursuit of a living woman capable of giving you release rather than crying like a pitiful baby on an unread blog. Or at least get out of the basement a bit more.

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  4. No moron, but they do have our support. Now are you going to hide behind an approve the comment first or will you open it up and I will point out the fallacy of your title and article in real time?

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  5. You could have already pointed out whatever “fallacies” you wanted to. Instead, you chose a sophomoric sexual insult, proving why I'm right to approve comments first. Oh, and you know my full name and what I look like, yet I don't know yours – who's “hiding behind” something?

    Let me explain something to you, sycophant. My website has comment rules, too: http://rightcal.blogspot.com/2007/03/come-on-in.html

    Your very first comment clearly violated both the rules about obscenity and personal insults. Unlike what your little cult leader Neil dishonestly banned me for.

    I approved your comment anyway. Twice. Because I decided to give you a chance I knew you weren't worth anyway, because all you've done is support my point that RedState has devolved into little more than a right-wing mirror image of the vulgar little attack dogs and yes-men at Daily Kos.

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  6. If you are done with the childlike crying both about the ban and my “vulgarity,” then pay attention.

    What I am about to say is a core conservative value that somewhere along the way in your pity party you forgot.

    Private property is managed by he who owns it. I am not going to get into all the ways you should have been banned as it is obvious you feel victimized and nothing is going to change that. So I will simply state that even if you are correct and you were Mr Perfect, your ban is well within the rights of the site and their right to have who they want on their site. You do not own it, you have no right to membership. Same applies here on your site.

    Now, if you can not understand that, please by all means keep on with the whole “poor me” nonsense and continue to feel self righteous. But there were valid reasons for your ban and even if there were not, your ban was valid even if the reason was nothing more than we do not like him.

    Or does conservative values only apply when they benefit you?

    Now, have spent enough time with your pathetic whining and this silly site. Enjoy the obscurity and the no one gives a damn you were banned life you maintain. But I must leave with one little suggestion, grow up, get a life, and get over the all evil ban. Pretty juvenile you write an article that no one cares about on a site no one cares about all over something so insignificant. And then you come back breaking another rule by setting up another account which is in clear violations of the site rules just to whine about it. Please, go get a girlfriend. It will help you mature a bit.

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  7. So you take the time to spend multiple comments on a blog *you* consider insignificant as an anonymous apologist for a handful of fraudulent moderators, and yet I'm the pathetic one? Huh.

    That you recycle NightTwister's cheap talking point about private property which I already debunked (unless, of course, you ARE NightTwister…) only goes to prove that you're a liar interested only in misdirection, not truth or principle. If “there were valid reasons,” you would have explained them. But there aren't, so instead you choose to lie.

    So can the condescension, Liar. Go back to licking Neil Stevens' boots at RedState.

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  8. Am I getting you mad? You debunked? Are you really this much of a mommy's basement dweller that this is all you can respond with?

    But to answer your question, not nighttwister, but keep trying. And oh by the way, Liar, liar pants on fire would have hurt me so much more.

    Now, go get laid by whatever sex you prefer. It would really help you to interact with real people and have real intercourse. Or at least go find a friend. But do as you please, I enjoy this as I am sure you have turned quite red face over these trivial things and may I dare say maybe even cried a bit?

    PS, you have debunked nothing moron. You are not entitled to be a member of this site no more than I am entitled to be here. You have no expectations of membership, friendliness, or not being banned, kicked to the curb, sent on your pathetic way. So your argument from the start has no merit, so there is nothing we have to prove or show. We can ban for any reason or no reason at all. And after this bitch article, it is obvious we were right in our dislike of your ignorance, refusal to abide by moderator rules, and just your overall pathetic self.

    Now, do not forget the liar liar pants on fire next time.

    PPS Does your mommy also beg you to go out and find a girl? Or has she just accepted the fact that with a face like yours, your obvious lack of man'esque type personality, and your constant crying that her son will soon join his true group, GoPride?

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  9. Why did I bother to approve this comment? Because when someone so beautifully makes my point for me about the integrity and class of the RedState community, who am I to turn it down?

    If you're so angry that people don't treat RedState with the reverence it deserves, might I suggest you have bigger fish to fry than me? Take a gander at the comment section of, say, Hot Air the next time RS or Erickson's name come up in a post, and then tell me your website doesn't have a problem.

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  10. I was banned from Redstate yesterday. Unlike you, I actually DID break a rule. It was a dumb rule (“don't speak in support of Ron Paul, Gary Johnson, etc.”), but I broke it. Anyway, do you know if there's a way to delete my account? There doesn't appear to be a mechanism to do so on the site, and I don't feel like maintaining an account if I can't post.

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